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Mail Correspondence about Plasma; Magnetism and "Gravity"

Hello again Tom (Tom - Ivar)

Working on understanding…

Do the comic rays in your theory produce a magnetic field?

Yes - when the electrical force (many kinds of) hit a cloud, gas and the dust becomes magnetized - which creates the beginning of the swirls - and further acceleration, heating, melting and exploding again.

Why is this an important question…  There is lots of plasma in space.  Every galactic core and sun pumps it out.  Plasma interacts with magnetic fields.  

Electrical rays creates the plasma anywhere. A magnetic field is the result of electrical sources heating gas and dust.

Depending on the orientation of the magnetic field it will draw in plasma, repel plasma, or a combination of those two things.  The orientation of the magnetic field regulates plasma attraction. 

Quite agreed.

With suns and planets revolving at a declination the amount of plasma drawn in is cyclic varying more attraction of plasma and less attraction of plasma.

 I almost agree. I don't like "attraction". I smells to much of "gravity". As you know by now, I've discarded the "Gravity Theory" as a general Hoax, especially the Newton and somewhat also the Einstein.

The Solar and Planetary cooperation: The Sun provides the electricity accordingly the influence from outer Solar System energies and affects the Earth in a constantly, but varying rhythm.

Here in a demonstration by MIT and depending on how the magnetic underneath  is oriented it either draws in plasma or repels it;

This image demonstrates how a magnetic field oriented one way draws in plasma:

This image demonstrates how a magnetic field oriented the other way repels plasma:

Cosmic ray trajectories are known to be scrambled by magnetic fields, so much so that the origin of a cosmic ray entering a magnetic field cannot be ascertained.

Obviously: A cosmic ray will be affected by molecular gas and dust = creating the magnetic field.

If there is an already magnetic field,the rays would be affected/bend of, as well. (For instans: Galactic lenses magnetic affection - and NOT the Gravity-affection-hoax)

Does this mean in your theory that once the dust is heated and a magnetic field is formed the incoming cosmic ray power source is cut off or scambled?

Not excactly - and not neccesarily: The rays penetrates the gas and dust accordingly to the mass in the gas and dust (some kind of rays goes right trough everything, you know) but otherwise the relevant rays is being "bended  of" because of hitting the gas and dust - which really creates the swirls/vorticies from the very beginning.

As long as the source provides the electrical fluence, the magnetic field keeps on going = a Cyclic movent - until the source stops.

The magnetic fields of the Earth, the sun, and the galaxy itself tend to scramble the paths of the galactic cosmic rays, so that when one is detected, nothing can be inferred from the direction of its origin.

Based on what is known about the behavior of cosmic rays and plasma as related to magnetic fields, how does this relate to your theory? 

Super!

In my view: Plasma = magnetized "heated gas". Only planets with "gassy" Atmospheres can have a Magnetic field forced by some kind of electrical cosmic rays.

It would appear that a cosmic ray could not create a magnetic field for once it did it would be scattered and no longer impact the object in a concentrated manner.  

Tom, I think the right way of looking at this is: As long as the main source are providing the electricity, the magnetic fields keeps on going.

Of course, if another cosmic ray interfere the first source, it also would have an effect on the original magnetic field.

Cosmic rays creating magnetic fields would be self limiting.

I don't quite agree on the term. The "self-limiting" part. It´s obvious there is a measurable "limiting" (a breaking force, creating swirls/vortices's)

BUT the "limiting part" is THE RESULT OF the rays hitting the gas and dust cloud. The rays are being braked - and bended.

(You could also say: The speed of Light/Rays are being braked by the gas and dust = The speed of light is NOT a constant = another anomaly in the Scientific World, right?) Their "laws" dont comply  and compute at all!

That is: Light and - I really think: ALL kind of rays are being braked down accordingly to their mass and speed when hitting gas; dust, magnetic fields, existent Galaxies  etc . etc. - accordingly to the masses of the objects.

Tom, think we are very close to an understanding here, don´t you?

Best Regards from Ivar

www.cosmology-unified.net (Alternative Cosmology with a Native touch)
www.native-science.net (Alternative Mythology with a modern Scientific touch)


Hello,
In my opinion it takes 2 cosmic phenomenon's to create a Toroidal movement in Space.

1. A fairly directed and focused force from a cosmic explosion.
2. A fairly rounded gas and dust molecular cloud.

When the directed force is hitting the the cloud fairly in the middle, the force will "turn the inside out" in a doughnut shape, accelerating the gas and dust more and more until gas and dust melts together in the ring. When reaching the critical stage, the whole ring explodes in an even larger ring shape. http://www.cosmology-unified.net/Cosmology.Holistic.htm

Link to a Doughnut Galaxy (2 fine illustrations and - the usual - explanation)
http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/features/news/20jul04.html
Just forget the "Black Hole" explanation - it`s just an empty Vortex, although with enormeous forces goin on in the toroidal circulation and a strong force going out of the Doughnut in a 90 degree plane of the Doughnut.

More Doughnuts - in our Milky Way Galaxy:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2632709.stm
This shape cannot be explained - unless one declares the orthodox gravity theory totally out of order, which I have done for some time ago.

In the case of our Milky Way, the movement is going OUT from the center which causes bulges in the outer area - again because there is an opposite force outside the Milky Way Galaxy which breakes the outgoing gas and matter from our Galaxy.

@ James Weninger:
If one accept the possibility (I think this for a fact) of an outgoing force from our Galaxy, I think this outgoing movement could explain the Toroidal movent of our Solar System.

NB: In my opinion, all the Creation Myths also confirms an outgoing force from the center of our Galaxy. http://www.native-science.net/MilkyWay.MotherGoddess.htm

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Re: Toroidal path due to electromagnetic forces

Postby james weninger on Nov 23rd, '08, 01:52

SpaceTravellor wrote:Hello,
In my opinion it takes 2 cosmic phenomenon's to create a Toroidal movement in Space.

1. A fairly directed and focused force from a cosmic explosion.
2. A fairly rounded gas and dust molecular cloud.

When the directed force is hitting the the cloud fairly in the middle, the force will "turn the inside out" in a doughnut shape, accelerating the gas and dust more and more until gas and dust melts together in the ring. When reaching the critical stage, the whole ring explodes in an even larger ring shape. http://www.cosmology-unified.net/Cosmology.Holistic.htm

Link to a Doughnut Galaxy (2 fine illustrations and - the usual - explanation)
http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/features/news/20jul04.html
Just forget the "Black Hole" explanation - it`s just an empty Vortex, although with enormeous forces goin on in the toroidal circulation and a strong force going out of the Doughnut in a 90 degree plane of the Doughnut.

More Doughnuts - in our Milky Way Galaxy:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2632709.stm
This shape cannot be explained - unless one declares the orthodox gravity theory totally out of order, which I have done for some time ago.

In the case of our Milky Way, the movement is going OUT from the center which causes bulges in the outer area - again because there is an opposite force outside the Milky Way Galaxy which breakes the outgoing gas and matter from our Galaxy.

@ James Weninger:
If one accept the possibility (I think this for a fact) of an outgoing force from our Galaxy, I think this outgoing movement could explain the Toroidal movent of our Solar System.

NB: In my opinion, all the Creation Myths also confirms an outgoing force from the center of our Galaxy. http://www.native-science.net/MilkyWay.MotherGoddess.htm

SpaceTravellor,
While I do believe you are right about an outgoing force from our galaxy, I don't think that is what causes the toroidal path of our solar system.

As far as outgoing forces: We have works like "Pushing Gravity": New Perspectives on Le Sage's Theory of Gravitation" that argue that gravity may be a repulsive force.
We have the E-M ideas on this site that provide a mechanism for both attractive and repulsive forces on a galactic scale.
Even the mainstream scientific community has had to posit "dark energy" as a repulsive force acting between galaxies.
In short, I do believe you are right about an outgoing force at the galactic scale (whatever the mechanism turns out to be)

The thing is, only a right angle force (like magnetic forces on a charged particle) can cause toroidal motion of our solar system. The force on our solar system must always be perpendicular to the direction of the solar system's motion (not radially outward from galactic center)
Jim

james weninger

Re: Toroidal path of sun due to electromagnetic forces

Postby junglelord on Nov 23rd, '08, 03:56

Space-traveler and James, its great to have both your inputs.
Wonderful change for the better for this forum.
Keep up the good work guys.
If you only knew the magnificence of the 3, 6 and 9, then you would have a key to the universe.
— Nikola Tesla
Casting Out the Nines from PHI into Indigs reveals the Cosmic Harmonic Code.
— Junglelord.
Knowledge is Structured in Consciouness. Structure and Function Cannot Be Seperated.
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Re: Toroidal path of sun due to electromagnetic forces

Postby SpaceTravellor on Nov 23rd, '08, 10:35

Hello Jim,
SpaceTravellor wrote:The thing is,only a right angle force (like magnetic forces on a charged particle) can cause toroidal motion of our solar system. The force on our solar system must always be perpendicular to the direction of the solar system's motion (not radially outward from galactic center)
Jim

I agree I´m wrong about my remarks on the Toroidal movement of our Solar system - In fact: After writing this, I got a feeling of somebody in this Forum would correct me - and thanks for that, Jim.

But I´m not sure of electromagnetic forces causing the Toroidal movement. I´ve read somewhere that our Galaxy should be a little bit warped. Could this be the cause of the Toroidal movement when our Solar System orbits the Galaxy center?
 

SpaceTravellor wrote:As far as outgoing forces: We have works like "Pushing Gravity:New Perspectives on Le Sage's Theory of Gravitation" that argue that gravity may be a repulsive force.


Jim, thanks for these information’s, they are new to me! If you have some links, I´ll be glad to look at these theories. (By the way, do you have a website I can browse?)

To make my points about "gravity" very clear: In my opinion, there´s no such thing as a steady gravity force. There is 1 long wawe electricity (from several exploding sources) that causes swirls in local molecular gas and dust cloud; this swirling creates a hole which creates magnetic forces on the inside swirling hole/vortex. The magnetic force heats up the gas and dust.

When reaching the critical melting point in the big swirl, it explodes out larger magnetified lumps and gasformations that creates a lots of minor swirls in the (now young galaxy) sorroundings because of the original swirling. http://www.native-science.net/MilkyWay.Spiral.htm

The bigger and smaller melted magnetic swirling lumps becomes the densest Planets+Moons etc. and the magnetic gasformations becomes Gas"planets" i.e. "Suns" in all stages and brightness. That is: The creation of our Solar System MUST have taken place right out from the very centre of our Galaxy.

Throughout this whole movement; from the long wave cosmic explosion to the explosion in the gas- and dustswirl, the "gravitational force" has shown an inside going movement and a outside going movement. The orthodox "theory of gravity" does not at all compute to this full circle of movement.

- My approach to my points of views, origine from ancient Cyclical Mythology which is the most Holistic Cosmology I know of, and it´s very mind opening when one really diggs into the Tellings and Symbols and relate the whole Mythological content to Modern Science of Cosmology, Astronomy, Astrophhysics etc. etc.

Which I´m trying to do in my websites mentioned below.

Best Regards from Ivar.

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Re: Journeys into Gravity Theory

Postby SpaceTravellor on Nov 3rd, '08, 18:33

@ junglelord,

Quote:
There are only the two forces, push and pull.
The Ultra Cosmic Radiation Pushes In.
The Planets Push Out.
Gravity it the balance between”, end of quotation.

- In my opinion, there is NO PULL anywhere in the Universe. On the contrary, everything seems to be PUSHED . . .

The seemingly contractive forces in the Universe are just cosmic accelerated swirl/vortices caused by electric beams from exploding stars ect.

The planets in our Solar System does not "pull out", they are originally slung out from the Sun as gas and matter and, afterwards formed as planets, still are being PUSHED out by the Solar Wind.

All interactive movements between planets and their moons are just "shading and not shading" effects on each other from the outgoing force of the Solar Wind. The Moon does NOT pull at the Oceans. The Moon influence on the rhythm of the Tide is just shading and not shading effects of the Solar Wind which itself are the main course of the Tide rhythm.

All planets - and the Sun - are foremost balanced in the local Solar System by the OUTGOING FORCE from our Galaxy, the very same force that creates the Pioneer Spacecraft anomaly.

When leaving the influence from the Solar Wind and the solar sphere, the spacecrafts meets more and more influence from the OUTGOING FORCE from our Galaxy which cause a breaking force "in the direction of the Sun" as measured and mentioned in the report of the anomaly.

Regards Ivar

Re: Journeys into Gravity Theory

Postby SpaceTravellor on Nov 3rd, '08, 11:25

Forget the orthodox theory of Gravity.

The basic 2 movements in the Universe is Concentration AND Expansion - so working with just 1 theory of seemingly contractive forces does not provide logical answers for both these 2 movements.

You have to have an explanation which can describe BOTH movements in order to understand what is going on.

- The contractive movement of matter is coursed by a stellar explosion in a neighborhood of a molecular dust cloud. The outgoing electric force from the stellar explosion is coursing vortices in the cloud. All matter and gas heats up when accelerated in the vortices and when the this concentration/acceleration reaches the sufficient state, the gas and matter melts and explodes, and because of the original whirling effect, all gas and heavier matter is thrown out in the 90 degree plane of the original swirling, still having the moment of swirling effect after the explosion.

This explanation goes for both the creative inwards and outwards movements in Galaxies as well as for the creation of Solar Systems.

With this explanation, BOTH the basic movements in the Universe are logically and naturally explained as a Cyclic Movement of Creation – which of course debunks the totally illogical “Big Bang Bluff” and other theories based on orthodox “laws of gravity”, the linear perception of “time” and “space-time”, etc. etc.

The Spin of Planets in our Solar System, and other stellar systems, is logically coursed by the original whirling in the dust cloud and the coursed explosion in the gas and matter which leaves a still rotational movement in the Sun.

For more natural explanations, look here: http://www.cosmology-unified.net/

NB: Don’t be fooled by the simplicity of this explanation – sometimes the best explanation is the simplest . . .

Re: Journeys into Gravity Theory

Postby Grey Cloud on Nov 3rd, '08, 19:12

Hi Ivar,
I would very much like to second Vincent's 'Bravo'.
On your two websites, you appear to have done what I have been attempting, i.e. to show that the ancient wisdom, as recorded in myth and religion, is at least in part an attempt to describe the workings of the cosmos. I have struggled because I do not have the requisite scientific knowledge (nor do I particularly want it).

Thanks also for your version of the Nordic creation myth which is one of my favourites (must be the Anglo-Saxon in me). Your explanation of what Ratatosk is about was a missing piece of the puzzle for me. I hope you can find some time to continue or expand this article on your website.

Your interpretation of myth etc will probably draw you some flak from the Saturn theorists here, it did me :roll:. The myth related threads live down in the underworld in the New Insights and Mad Ideas section.

Thanks again,
GC.
If I have the least bit of knowledge
I will follow the great Way alone
and fear nothing but being sidetracked.
The great Way is simple
but people delight in complexity.
I Ching, 53.
Grey Cloud

Re: Journeys into Gravity Theory

Postby Vincent Wee-Foo on Nov 3rd, '08, 17:00

Hi Ivar,

Bravo! :P
~ Vincent Wee-Foo Universal Vortical Singularity
A paradoxical universe requires scientific enlightenment to explore the uncharted.

Re: Journeys into Gravity Theory

Postby junglelord on Nov 3rd, '08, 17:38

Sounds like my own words. Linear concepts drilled into our heads to make us forget.
 
"DARK matter fills 99,9% of the Universe but everything in it can GLOW".

What is really and basically wrong with the Newton and Einstein Equations and several other modern Cosmology Hypothesis?

The Universe is EXPANDING, so it's said. Why then, do modern Cosmologists accept the quite opposite CONTRACTING Law at all? That´s illogical!

The traditional Cosmological concept of Time is Linear, but al movements in the Universe are spiraling and bending. The Time-Space Concept is illogical! It makes no natural and logical sense!

The "Big Bang" theory is connected to the illogical Linear Time/Space Concept and therefore it makes non sense!

Re: Journeys into Gravity Theory

Postby SpaceTravellor on Nov 4th, '08, 00:30

@ Vincent and Grey Cloud,

Thanks for the :lol:

Grey Cloud: I found the Thunderbolt Forum by googling "alternative cosmology", and I was thrilled that finding someone (Dave Talbott & Rens van der Sluijs) working with Mythological symbols and compare these to modern science. I have contacted both and I hope to find some kind of cooperation.

I know that the good people in EU interprets everything they can, accordingly to the very fine and accurate plasma theories, but it’s my opinion, that the good people also undervalues the ancestral knowledge and old symbols, especially regarding the Story of Creation from cultures all over the World, which is, in my pinion, the most convincing part of my website http://www.native-science.net

Grey Cloud: "Your interpretation of myth etc will probably draw you some flak from the Saturn theorists here, it did me :roll:. The myth related threads live down in the underworld in the New Insights and Mad Ideas section".

I’ll take a look at the "mad section" - and prepare to meet the Saturn theory flak . . .
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Toroidal path due to electromagnetic forces

Postby SpaceTravellor on Nov 20th, '08, 13:36

Hello,
In my opinion it takes 2 cosmic phenomenon's to create a Toroidal movement in Space.

1. A fairly directed and focused force from a cosmic explosion.
2. A fairly rounded gas and dust molecular cloud.

When the directed force is hitting the the cloud fairly in the middle, the force will "turn the inside out" in a doughnut shape, accelerating the gas and dust more and more until gas and dust melts together in the ring. When reaching the critical stage, the whole ring explodes in an even larger ring shape. http://www.cosmology-unified.net/Cosmology.Holistic.htm

Link to a Doughnut Galaxy (2 fine illustrations and - the usual - explanation)
http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/features/news/20jul04.html
Just forget the "Black Hole" explanation - it`s just an empty Vortex, although with enormeous forces goin on in the toroidal circulation and a strong force going out of the Doughnut in a 90 degree plane of the Doughnut.

More Doughnuts - in our Milky Way Galaxy:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2632709.stm
This shape cannot be explained - unless one declares the orthodox gravity theory totally out of order, which I have done for some time ago.

In the case of our Milky Way, the movement is going OUT from the center which causes bulges in the outer area - again because there is an opposite force outside the Milky Way Galaxy which breakes the outgoing gas and matter from our Galaxy.

@ James Weninger:
If one accept the possibility (I think this for a fact) of an outgoing force from our Galaxy, I think this outgoing movement could explain the Toroidal movent of our Solar System.

NB: In my opinion, all the Creation Myths also confirms an outgoing force from the center of our Galaxy. http://www.native-science.net/MilkyWay.MotherGoddess.htm

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